Mk2 - my sill restoration experience
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Re: Save your Mk2 - my sill restoration experience
There may still be damage to my outer, it could be hidden behind the body kit, that's why I tend to flee body-kitted cars. Starting to wish I had run from this one but it's wonderful in other ways
Without wanting to send you suicidal Mad, your pic is a fair bit worse than mine. If there's no hole there you've done well mate!!
No drain hole, methinks.
Preview note: the forum has cropped a fair bit of that pic. I'll resize asap.
Without wanting to send you suicidal Mad, your pic is a fair bit worse than mine. If there's no hole there you've done well mate!!
No drain hole, methinks.
Preview note: the forum has cropped a fair bit of that pic. I'll resize asap.
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Re: Save your Mk2 - my sill restoration experience
Nah, Mad's structure is sound - nowhere near as bad as mine on page 1. that is just light surface corrosion I reckon. (Disclaimer - I am no expert )
Al - thought you said there was a hole - or was that on the other side?
Al - thought you said there was a hole - or was that on the other side?
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Zoom in and you can just see the edge. It starts in the shadow, moves out as you move right then goes off the right hand side of that picture, you'll see it all when I re-crop. My laptop is in use right now and I can't do it from the phone.
What this says to me is the rust started outside and worked its way inwards. If water had been sat in there you'd expect the paint to be worse all over - the damage is highly localised at the moment.
What this says to me is the rust started outside and worked its way inwards. If water had been sat in there you'd expect the paint to be worse all over - the damage is highly localised at the moment.
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God knows where it starts, if it is underneath then how does it get there? Weird.
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Ok, I have dug around a little more and not found anything horrific. I am convinced this is all surface rust and very marginal separation of a seam. No nasty crunching noises or anything whilst prodding around.
I've sanded it as best possible, and have got a clearer view of what going on.
Nor sure what you mean by further back rob, as the top of the pic is where the inner arch starts to rise up.
I think I've been lucky to have been made aware of this now, thanks chaps.
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I've sanded it as best possible, and have got a clearer view of what going on.
Nor sure what you mean by further back rob, as the top of the pic is where the inner arch starts to rise up.
I think I've been lucky to have been made aware of this now, thanks chaps.
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Good point, well made!
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Re: Save your Mk2 - my sill restoration experience
T-bars and moonroof have the same drainage system ,nothing on tintopsd-peg wrote:Without looking at the t-bar rob, both tintop and moonroof have no drain tubes fr the roof gutters. If you look approx 1/2 way along the rear quarter light window the gutter tapers back into the bodywork. This pushes the water over the roof of the car.
Cannot speak for the t-bar though... and am unsure of drainage from the moonroof hole...
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Trev - that is absolutely bang on mate - thanks!!!!!!!!!!
I had no idea that the rear ones drained through the quarter vent.......
I had no idea that the rear ones drained through the quarter vent.......
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Re: Save your Mk2 - my sill restoration experience
Rob, I've resized my pic above - hope that's more useful.
It strikes me that the hole on the level surface has suspiciously regular edges on both my car and Mad's. They're also more or less the same size and shape. I'm not entirely convinced that it's rust after all.
It strikes me that the hole on the level surface has suspiciously regular edges on both my car and Mad's. They're also more or less the same size and shape. I'm not entirely convinced that it's rust after all.
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Looking at yours again al, I don't think it is a hole caused by rust.
If you zoom in on my last pic, it is a very regular shape as is yours. As you point out, unlikely to be formed by the tin worm.
I think the level surface is just a skin, and in that gap are the folds where floorpan meets sill.
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If you zoom in on my last pic, it is a very regular shape as is yours. As you point out, unlikely to be formed by the tin worm.
I think the level surface is just a skin, and in that gap are the folds where floorpan meets sill.
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Agreed, and adding to that, I pushed the level surface with my hand. Even on the totally rust-free areas there is no way that is structural, it was far too flimsy.
In fact look at yours again - there's no trace on the vertical side to imply that the level plate ever touched it. Surely there should be remenants of the other half of the level plate, or a hole where they should have been? Think we can be certain that the level plate is not meant to be in contact with the vertical one.
While I certainly wouldn't say we're away scott-free I think (thanks entirely to Rob) that we've caught this in plenty of time and can deal with it before it becomes an MOT-level issue.
Thanks Rob! Owe you a beer I reckon!
Anyone else going to post pics? It'd be good to know if they're all the same. I'd like to see an immaculate one just to be sure.
In fact look at yours again - there's no trace on the vertical side to imply that the level plate ever touched it. Surely there should be remenants of the other half of the level plate, or a hole where they should have been? Think we can be certain that the level plate is not meant to be in contact with the vertical one.
While I certainly wouldn't say we're away scott-free I think (thanks entirely to Rob) that we've caught this in plenty of time and can deal with it before it becomes an MOT-level issue.
Thanks Rob! Owe you a beer I reckon!
Anyone else going to post pics? It'd be good to know if they're all the same. I'd like to see an immaculate one just to be sure.
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A couple of pics of mine ,which might give you an idea how the panels go together?
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Re: Save your Mk2 - my sill restoration experience
I've been following this thread quite closely and took the brave step to have a look at mine earlier.
I've taken a bunch of photos and uploaded them to here: https://picasaweb.google.com/1140601578 ... directlink
The first lot are on the driver side. I didn't sand anything back because I could hardly get my hand in there anyway and it started to rain (ironically!) I did squirt a bit of Waxoyl in the driver side although I doubt that will be very much use as the rust seems to already be pretty well established.
I wouldn't mind getting it all sorted sooner rather than later really. Presumably the earlier any welding is done the less has to be replaced, which hopefully should lower the cost of doing it.
This thread's been very useful so far so I though a few extra photos might be worthwhile. Any comments are also more than welcome.
I've taken a bunch of photos and uploaded them to here: https://picasaweb.google.com/1140601578 ... directlink
The first lot are on the driver side. I didn't sand anything back because I could hardly get my hand in there anyway and it started to rain (ironically!) I did squirt a bit of Waxoyl in the driver side although I doubt that will be very much use as the rust seems to already be pretty well established.
I wouldn't mind getting it all sorted sooner rather than later really. Presumably the earlier any welding is done the less has to be replaced, which hopefully should lower the cost of doing it.
This thread's been very useful so far so I though a few extra photos might be worthwhile. Any comments are also more than welcome.
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In the second picture, the horizontal rusty surface is the same surface where we are finding our holes ie behind the tall vertical metal skin but on that same horizontal surface:confused1:
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